Berisha reveals meeting with Ramiz Ali one day before student demonstration

Leader of the Democratic Party Sali Berisha spoke tonight, December 11, in "Opinion" about the day before the great student demonstration against the communist regime, on December 8, 1990. The day when students marched from Student City towards the center of Tirana.

Berisha described in detail his first bilateral meeting on political issues with Ramiz Alia and everything was discussed between them.

-I have the impression that no one from the political bureau accepted the violence against students.

Sali Berisha: No, from this impression I headed towards the Party Committee. I told them that all the students must be released now, otherwise all the youth will descend on Skanderbeg Square and destroy everything there.

- And this was the regime's greatest fear, because there they could unite with the citizens of Tirana.

Sali Berisha : Now this Roberti is connected to the Ministry, I talk to the deputy minister because I knew him, this was the matter of the release. Roberti tells me and Besnik, today we have a meeting with university leaders, can you come too? I tell him, and Besnik says okay. We went, the meeting was unimaginable, everyone against the students.

-The university directors themselves? !

Sali Berisha: Besides me and Besnik, I also started threatening them, so that the students would find out… Then they started threatening me, they got to the point where they wanted the forces to be brought in against them. I was the one who opposed them with the greatest force. In these debates, it is said that comrade Sali, comrade Ramiz wants to meet you. I'm telling him right away! They brought us a car, 50 meters from here, it met us at home.

-Why didn't Besnik Mustafaj enter the meeting, only you entered?

Sali Berisha: I don't know, I can't say. In fact, he said Saliu, I want to meet him. Besnik accompanied me and waited outside. Pale, Ramiz...

-This was your first one-on-one meeting?

Sali Berisha: No, I had never met him with the sick, for political discussion this was the first. I knew him for acquaintance.

-Very interesting as a scene, the president and the most powerful man in the regime suddenly gives his hand to a simple man...

Sali Berisha: He didn't shake my hand at all, he didn't even tell me to sit down. The conversation took place while standing.

-Besnik Mustafaj says the meeting lasted 15 minutes.

Sali Berisha: Jo, më pak. Unë them nja 7 minuta. Biseda tërësisht në këmbë, më lehtësoi që nuk tha ulu. Më kërkoi që të bind studentët të vijnë në takim. Në darkën e asaj dite ai kishte pasur një takim në korpusin e studentëve, pasi kishte biseduar me ta, iu kishte premtuar se do vinte në takim…Tani u nxjer Hekuran Isain me sambistë dhe i rrafin barbarisht duke u kthyer në konvikt, dhe studentët ma thanë mua këtu. Tani i them ti ke rrahur dërgatën, unë ti i ke ftuar, dhe kur kanë dalë, ke urdhëruar rrahjen. Jo tha, i morën revolen oficerit të sigurimit. Çfarë revole i them unë?! Me revole do bëjnë revolucion ata?! E pashembullt! Ama disa herë duke i thënë shiko duhet të negocioni, sepse është shans.

-A e dinte Ramiz Alia se nuk kishte më çfarë t’ju bënte studentëve?

Sali Berisha: Mbase e dinte! Atë ditë, ai qëndronte mes kulaçit dhe kërbaçit. E para, më thotë mua që unë i pres ata kurdo që të vijnë, unë i thashë duhet të negociosh seriozisht kërkesat e tyre.

-A kishte dalë në skenë kërkesa për pluralizëm?

Sali Berisha: Kërkesat nuk ishin të hartuara mirë, s’i kam folur për kërkesa specifike, por të studentëve. Unë tha i pres dhe ata duhet të vijnë, bindi që të vijnë. Dal me Besnikun unë, nisem drejt studentëve, pëllëmbë me gardistë, pëllëmbë me policë. Ai po përgatiste dajakun për ta! Ishte informaur se ata do mblidheshin në orën 07:00 për të zbritur në shesh, gjë që unë nuk e dija. Shkoj të takoj studentët, një diskutim ku Azemi (Hajdari) luajti rolin kryesor. Iu them që çështja më jetike për Shqipërinë është pluralizmi, tjerat janë lërini mo..se kishin 13 pika.

Po bëni historinë me këtë! Duhet të takoheni me Ramiz Alinë, sepse refuzimi ju heq një mundësi të madhe. Ishin shumë të egërsuar sepse i kishte rrahur, kishin të drejtë! Këtu ishte merita e tyre, e lanë mënjanë zemërimin dhe ranë dakord të takoheshin. Ngaqë vazhdoi nja 2 orë ai takimi, ishte mbush sheshi mbi 1 mijë vetë. Dalim ne, duartrokitje të fuqishme, u them tani nuk do zbrisni në qytet, fishkëllima dhe britma “tradhtarë, tradhtarë”. U them ju më kërkuat dy gjëra, lirimin e të burgosurve, u mora me këtë punë, për të sëmurët, të plagosurit…

Sali Berisha: Kishte disa, një vajzë më shumë… Kishin marrë dhe prindërit tani, si përfundim aty del Azemi dhe u thotë të njëjtat gjëra, e fishkëllyen, ai bën një gjë të pashembullt. U thotë “kur t’ju tradhtoj unë ju, i fus thikën, unë kam dy fëmijë, i fus thikën Rudinës dhe Kirit në bark e ja nxjerr në gabzerr”. Sikur i hipnotizoi dhe ata të gjithë duartrokitje “Azem Hajdari, Azem Hajdari”.

Po pse e takoi Berisha sërish të nesërmen Ramiz Alinë?

"Because I didn't meet him that night, it was late. The next day I went with Besnik again, to the office. It was Skënder Gjinushi and Lisen Bashkurti. I told him that they were ready to meet...I went to the students afterwards ," Berisha replied, emphasizing that he supported the students for the cause and not to make a political career.

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